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Really old light

by still wondering in

does anyone remember these golden oldies?.

president kennedy was assassinated because he was a good man, "he didnt fit satans book", this was the societys view according to those who had inside information.

i'm not sure how long that view persisted, probably until the first tv documentary on his life.. the berlin wall fell because jehovah decided it was now time to open up the work behind the iron curtain.

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Another one I remember well was when our meetings were held in a large room in a public building that was also used by the spiritualists to hold their meeting on the same evening.

Our Congregation Servant (pre elder days) stated that the spiritualists had complained to the building management that their meetings were a failure since the JW’s had moved in and wanted us to either go elsewhere or change our meeting day as they were there first.

This he said was because Holy Spirit is stronger than Satan and this proved it, which is rather odd as the congregation was disbanded soon after due to a severe shortage of male servants.

Apart from the CS all the other servants were women, literature, accounts, ministry school talks at the time when only males gave talks, prayers (head covered), etc, etc.

For years after I was confused by this outcome, although claiming to be appointed by holy spirit had our CS got it wrong?

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R U afraid to pray because:?

by rekless in

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whenever you pray everything goes from bad to worst.

still wondering

I’m very sorry to hear of your misfortune.

As witlesses we prayed to Jehovah. As we know now this is a name thought up by a 13 th

century Roman Catholic monk and even the witlesses accept that the most accurate translation of YHWH is most defiantly not this.

So all those years we were praying to nobody.

The most significant prayer in the entire Bible is surely the Lords Prayer.

Jesus said to pray to Our Heavenly Father, no name required.

Also don’t forget "time and unforeseen occurrence" (NWT speak, horrible) befalls us all.

What our Heavenly Father has promised is that he will help us cope with any difficulty, not remove it.

I pray for help in acquiring the relevant knowledge, understanding, wisdom and self control.

For the first time in 50 years I feel my prayers are heard.

Hope this helps.

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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DD said
"Yup thats quite true, also if hes going to paradise the same day, where is paradise "

Could a possible explanation be that Jesus and the evildoer had an immediate resurrection as spirit creatures to heavenly life, i.e. that very day? (On the 40 th day Jesus ascended to that part where his Father is)

Jesus’ human body however remained in Hades for 3 days before being resurrected. This body Jesus could now show his disciples with the holes in the hands and feet but this body was not something that Jesus needed any longer as he is clearly no longer human. He then disposed of it when it was no longer required.

I’ve not seen this put forward anywhere but it strikes me as a possible way to explain it all.

Do you see any inconsistencies with this?

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Really old light

by still wondering in

does anyone remember these golden oldies?.

president kennedy was assassinated because he was a good man, "he didnt fit satans book", this was the societys view according to those who had inside information.

i'm not sure how long that view persisted, probably until the first tv documentary on his life.. the berlin wall fell because jehovah decided it was now time to open up the work behind the iron curtain.

still wondering

"These sound like personal speculations of JWs not something I ever read in a WTS publication."

yes, but sometimes these persons were highly placed and in a position to influence others, DO,CO, branch overseer etc and as they had all been "appointed by holy spirit" we were being unfaithful to "jehovahs arrangement" if we ignored their counsel..

also, no smoke without fire often proves true.

Thinking of branch overseers, the reason why we spent the early decades of our married life in rented rooms ( and many others did the same) was because at an international assembly back in the 1960's Wilf Gooch stated that having a mortgage to buy a house was making oneself "a part of this system of things", and starting a family was better put off until the "new order". To this day i can still see and hear that moment that convinced me that to please Jehovah we needed to forget about getting a place of our own and thus be in a position to start a family, in his words to keep our life "simple".

Were he and others like him conmen?

They got our trust and proceeded to abuse us, physically, materially and most of all spiritually.

No doubt in my mind that’s the worst kind of confidence trickster, one that leaves absolutely no part of your life untouched. A religious conman has to be the worst kind, a compulsive thief, liar and hypocrite.

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Really old light

by still wondering in

does anyone remember these golden oldies?.

president kennedy was assassinated because he was a good man, "he didnt fit satans book", this was the societys view according to those who had inside information.

i'm not sure how long that view persisted, probably until the first tv documentary on his life.. the berlin wall fell because jehovah decided it was now time to open up the work behind the iron curtain.

still wondering

Does anyone remember these golden oldies?

President Kennedy was assassinated because he was a good man, "he didn’t fit Satans book", this was the society’s view according to those who had inside information. i'm not sure how long that view persisted, probably until the first TV documentary on his life.

The Berlin Wall fell because Jehovah decided it was now time to open up the work behind the iron curtain. Every year we were told this had already been done in the yearbook report for "other countries". They must have been lying to us all those years.

In all the illustrations Adam and Jesus had no facial hair. Apparently facial hair was a sign of imperfection. Thank goodness the light got brighter; I don’t feel so bad now with a beard.

Does anyone remember these or any other Golden Oldies?

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no longer disfellowshipped for having a blood transfusion

by still wondering in

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can anyone help me in finding any statements made by the wtbs in any of their publications to confirm this change or even just the original news release which i understand was on their official website but i now can't find any reference to it.. is this a case of having one policy for public consumption to improve their public image but the another policy for internal consumption to give the impression that things hav'nt changed?.

it appears that the majority of jw do not know of the change in policy.

still wondering

can anyone help me in finding any statements made by the wtbs in any of their publications to confirm this change or even just the original news release which i understand was on their official website but i now can't find any reference to it.

is this a case of having one policy for public consumption to improve their public image but the another policy for internal consumption to give the impression that things hav'nt changed?

it appears that the majority of jw do not know of the change in policy.

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One person got baptized at Circuit Ass. today (powerhouse circuit)

by thecarpenter in

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just got a call from a friend who told me only one person got baptized today in a ciruit assembly in nyc.

this is in a powerhouse circuit that had tremendous growth 10~20 years ago but is now seeing a steady decline to the point that congregations are starting to merge because so many are leaving.

what could be the cause of this decline?

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in the last 3 years there were several assemblies in this area where there were no baptism candidates and yet they still went through the charade (i mean talk).

in a misguided attempt to get the numbers up i was baptised twice, once at the age of 13 and then again at 19 (no seriously i wanted to absolutely certain).

for the first time in my life i am now absolutely certain.

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What was the purpose having Eight Day assembly?

by VM44 in

running man has posted his account of an eight day assembly from the 1960s.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/109297/1.ashx.

what i would like to know is, what was the purpose in having eight days for the assembly?.

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held at Twickenham rugby stadium, with whole car parks converted into tented areas arranged in rows and named after bible places like Jacobs road or jezebel street.

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What was the purpose having Eight Day assembly?

by VM44 in

running man has posted his account of an eight day assembly from the 1960s.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/109297/1.ashx.

what i would like to know is, what was the purpose in having eight days for the assembly?.

still wondering

what am i doing wrong? it keeps cutting bits out of my reply.

I attended the

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What was the purpose having Eight Day assembly?

by VM44 in

running man has posted his account of an eight day assembly from the 1960s.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/109297/1.ashx.

what i would like to know is, what was the purpose in having eight days for the assembly?.

still wondering

I attended the

As a teenager I volunteered as a night guard and slept on bails of hay during the day. Didn’t hear any of the talks.

Can anyone let me know if I missed anything I should know?

As we were expecting trouble from those wicked apostates we used to patrol the grounds carrying a length of iron pipe that had been left over from the miles of plumbing used to connect up the huge ex army dinner tray washing machines and hot water boilers.

Why was it 8 days? Well it was twice as much fun as a 4 day assembly.